[rafjnnig]

Hallo an alle!!
Schreibe aus Italien, ware einmal vor 2 Jahre in Thassos und moechte wieder dorthin gehen.
Meine frage: ist jemand die Strecke von Slowenien gefahren die letzdem 2 Monate?
Wie ist die Strecke?Gibt es eine Maut und wenn ja wie viel?
Gibt es nur Autobahn ?Raststationen?Is es sicher durch Serbien Montengro zu fahren?
Vielen Dank

Raf

[Steffi]

Hallo Raf,

wir planen auch durch Slowenien, Kroatien und Rest Jugoslawien zu fahren. Wir werden im August fahren. Ich habe mir vom ADAC eine Route planen lassen. Es gibt Maut, das ist gesamt ca 50 € einfach durch den Balkan. Die Autobahnen sind gut ausgebaut, bis auf Rest Jugoslawien. Da muß man ca 100 km Landstraße fahren. Das ist mir aber lieber als Bulgarien. Die Aussage von einigen Leuten war, das man versuchen sollte unbedingt bei Tag durch Serbien bzw. Rest Jugo zu fahren. Wenn man da nicht anhält, gehts schon. Slowenien ist eh kein Problem mehr und Kroatien auch nicht mehr. Tankstellen gibt es lt. Aussage ADAC genug.
Ansonsten gibt es auch einen Routenplaner, der sehr gut ist:
www.map24.de


Verrate mir doch mal wann ihr fahren wollt

Gruß Steffi
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[rafjnnig]

Danke vielmals!Hab aber gesehen das die einzige strasse in ex Yugo (Serbien) fahrt zimmlich in der naehe von Pristina...ist es sicher?!?
Vielleicht ist es lieber durch Sofia in Bulgarien zu fahren?
Hab geplannt Liubiana Zagreb Beograd Nis Sofya Kavala sind 1244 km (52 % Autobahn) und nur durch Yugo sind 1375 km (aber 64% Autobahn).
Noch eine Frage...kennst Du jemand dass eine Wohnung oder ein Bungalow mietet in August in der naehe (Zweite und Dritte Woche) von Limenaria, Pefkari?
Vielen Dank!!

Ciao Raf

[Steffi]

Naja, das stimmt wohl, aber das ist wohl eine recht gut ausgebaute Landstraße die dort vorbei führt. Ein Forenmitglied ist im letzten Jahr auch gefahren und meinte es wäre gar kein Problem. Dort sollte man sicher nicht abbiegen und nach Pristina oder gar Prizren fahren. Solange man sich ruhig verhält und nicht rechts und links schaut ist wohl alles ok. Achja, ein Bekannter von uns meinte man sollte sich kleine € scheine einstecken, falls man wirklich mal von der Polizei angehalten wird. 5€ im Reisepass wirken manchmal Wunder!

Wir haben doch seit Neuestem ein Forenmitglied aus Serbien. Evtl kann er sich mal äußern? Das wäre supernett!

In Limenaria und Pefkari gibt es jede Menge nette Pensionen.
Ich selbst war jahrelang bei SItella und Vassili im KA PA XI in Pefkari. Schau mal auf der Hauptseite nach. Dort findest Du unter Pefkari und Limenaria einige schöne Tipps.

Wenn Du im KA PA XI anrufst, frag nach Stella. Sie managt das alles, spricht aber nur Englisch. Sag Ihr liebe Grüße von Steffi, sie kennt mich gut!

Alles Liebe bis dahin
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[Volker]

[Wolfgang]

Ich hoffe sehr, möglichst viele Berichte über diese Tour bald hier lesen zu können. Das Thema interessiert hier sehr viele Leute und nur durch Erfahrungsberichte anderer werden sich mehr und mher Touristen trauen, die Strecke zu fahren. Also schreibt uns bitte eure Erfahrungen

In Limenaria git es das Rodon-House. Es wird von zwei Italienern geleitet. Vielleicht wäre das ja was für Dich? Link ist auf unserer Webseite.

Gruß
Wolfgang
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[boris]

Hello all. I saw some questions (in German) and I hope this can help:

Feel free to travel through Serbia. Driving from Croatia through to Macedonia and then Greece, you'll have mostly highway. There are no bandits, no political unrest or anything else that should concern you on the road.

Petrol stations are aplenty and the fuel is cheapest in Europe, though it may be of a slightly lower quality than what you're used to. There's an OMV station some 100 km beyond Belgrade, for those who want to "stay at home", but the fuel is the same as anywhere else in the country.

There's toll to pay on a few places - two or three, I'm not so sure with all the rad construction going on. I'd recommend you change between 30 and 50 euros into dinars at the border, just to prevent any possibility of a rip-off. Whatever remains you can spend on fuel or on the return.

Police radars now also operates on the highway. I got caught both on the trip to Thassos and back at Jagodina, a stretch of straight-ahead highway after the turnoff for Kragujevac, some 70 klicks beyond Belgrade.

If they "shoot" you, a cop runs out in the middle of the highway and signals you to stop. Do it, don't run him over and pay the fine. Don't try to bribe them, it's a game that can turn nasty. If you do try it, five euros won't work, be assured. Serbia has become expensive.

There's usually more radar traps and patrols waiting for drivers to pass across the full line, on the non-highway segment through the gorge of Grdelica and around the town of Vranje. Just be patient, even with a truck ahead of you - I know I sound like ADAC, but I mean it. If they catch you, you lose 30 minutes, plus the money.

After you cross into Macedonia, it's all highway until afew dozen klicks ahead of the Greek border. The same radar warning, for the highway and particualrly off of it, applies there.

Another note, for people who might be planning to travel after the top of the season starts: last year I drove out on July 11 and came back about 13 days later. No crowds, nothing going my way. But on the opposite side, people who were driving to Greece were spending frightening hours on the borders entering Serbia and Macedonia.

In that case, all of you with western licence plates may actually want to consider an alternate route. People go through Bosnia and Kosovo, using the (as far as I know) fairly decent country roads (landstrassen) and saving incredible time on the borders by entering Macedonia from Kosovo at Blace (just west of where you'd normally go), but via Pristina.

If it starts getting as bad as it was last summer, in late July and early August, check it out the Kosovo route on the map planners and consider it - it is not dangerous unless you're driving with Serbian plates - because driving five hours more is probably better than losing 15 on the two borders.

And finally, here's (http://www.amsj.co.yu/eng/eindex.htm) the English-language site of the Serbian drivers' association, where you'll find the prices and a road report (which I hope will be updated with more regularity once the season really kicks off).

For anybody with any questions, presuming I can answer them, feel free to email me at babic@dpa.com. That is, until July 17 when I'll pack my kid and myself and drive off to Thassos.

Will be in Pegasos/Limenas and on spend most days the Makryammos beach and will gladly share a frape with any other Thassos-lover.

Have a safe trip and a good vacation,
Boris

[Volker]

Hi Boris,

fantastic posting, such a lot of information

Thanks a lot

Volker

[rafjnnig]

Hi to all!!

Thanks a lot to all your answers, infact this tema is really interesting.
The way I want to drive to Thassos should also be a Panoramic tour to give a short look to Zagabria, Belgrad and such others.
Obviously I would also arrive in less time to my adorable Thassos.

So Boris, from where are you?Slovenia?
I planned from Modena, where I live to Thassos and are about 1600 km.The route to the boundaries Italia Slovenia (Liubiana) is for me well Known, but then I'm very blind.
So, could you explain me these please:

- from Liubiana to Thassos is quite all highway (because on my map from the 2001 year it isn't)

-from Liubiana to Thassos are fees or highway taxes to pay, how much?

-Do I need an international driving licence or is ok our european one?

-To pass through balcan do I need passport or is sufficient the Identity card

-Green assurance card is needed, exactly?

Ok, to all of you...when you are driving to Thassos are you stayng sleeping somewhere during the fare?Or do you drive from home to the Isle?

Thanks a lot Boris, Danke Steffi , Volker, Wolfgang

How old are you??
I'm 28 years and my name is Raffaele

Ciao

[Steffi]

Hi Raffaele,

hope you got all the informations you need from Boris now.
That was very interesting for me also! THANKS A LOT BORIS!!

You 'll need a passport through Croatia and Serbia and of course the green insurance card. The european driver licens should be ok, as far as i know. Hope Boris will give us the correct answer.

So im very glad to have that much informations out of this forum.
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[boris]

Was a pleasure!

Raffaele, as Steffi said, you'll have to have a passport if you plan to drive. Also a green card - the international car insurance. An international drivers' license I think you can go without, though if it's no hassle for you to pick up one, probably at the same place you get a geen card, why not have it?

The trip:

I know very little of the road west of Belgrade, but I think that's all very easy going. Others would know better, I haven't taken it since 91.

Through Serbia, the toll, payable at three places, once before and twice after Belgrade, will cost you 560 + 1,160 + 300 dinars, or just under 30 euros (the rate is and will be around 70 din/eur, maybe slightly more).

As far as I can remember, you also have three toll stations through Macedonia and will have to pay maybe 10-20 euros (no need to convert money there, they're returning the change).

And introducing myself:

I'm from Belgrade, a journalist (working for a German agency, in English, though, and can only read the language properly). Was on Thassos (always Limenas, always driving, twice on a motorcycle) in 88, 90, 91, 93, 95, 97, 00, 03... in three weeks, on July 18, it'll be number nine can't wait.

It's a one-day drive from here, though last year we stayed the night with some friends in Skopje and had a really easy, just 400 or so km drive to the island.

I'll be going alone with my son, Igor, five-and-a-half. And, gulp, I'm 37. That was not easy to admit to.

The site:

I love the site and really appreciate the info available, but even more the enthusiasm of the admin and the visitors... Again, if any questions, by anybody, on anything that I might help out, please shoot. I'll respond as soon as I can. In addition, Belgrade is a fun place for a day or two, for those with loose schedules. If anybody comes by, let me know.

Cheers,
Boris

[Dekif]

Hi all
would like to give aditionall info on travelling through Serbia

As Boris have said, there is no reason to be worried while travelling though Serbia.
Roads are mainly good. If travelling trough Croatia to Serbia there is good highway. I don't know abot Croatia, but at the Serbian border you should, and it is important, to change euros into dinars (1 euro = 72 dinars) because when paying a carfare you can pay only in dinars (if you don't have dinars you can not continue by highway and there is no exchange office in vicinity).
Buying petrol, also in dinars. Prices of petrol are : Diesel 45 dinars, Unleded petrol 55 dinars, 95 octan petrol 55 dinars and 98 octan petrol 63 dinars.

There is no reason not to travell by night and travelling by night is even recomended because of low trafic on the highway and low melee at the borders (in main season)

Until August 13th, there will be some road works because of Olympic games but this should not disturb travellers.

My opinion about best and fastest way to Thassos is :
through Croatia (via Zagreb) to Serbia (Belgrade to Nis) then Macedonia (Skoplje) into Greece. Then Thessaloniki to Kavala (Keramoti) then TASSOS and DIRECTLY TO NEAREST BEACH (for a swim and Amstel beer)

If stoped by Police, DON'T try to bribe them.
Speed limit on the highway is 120km/h, on some places 100km/h.

TIPS
When approaching toll, watch for signs (speed limit) because limit decreases every 100m by 20km/h and if police is near and you are not decreasing your speed acordingly you will be stoped. Also, after leaving toll watch the signs (for about 500m).

Fact that you are driving the car with foreign plates does not mean that police is watcing only for you but fact is that police in whole world "loves" tourists, so drive normaly.

I'm going to Potos at the end of July (31 July - END of july ) for 10 days. Can't wait!!!

See you all

Dejan & Kristina

[Steffi]

Thanks so much for your info!
It helps us a lot. I'm very glad to have Boris and you Dejan and Kristina around us.

What i want to know is:
Is there directly at the boarder an exchange office? And how much do you recommend to change? 50 € Is it enough?

Thanks so much for your kindest help!


Maybe we meet us in Potos, Dejan and Kristina?
We'll be there at 7.8.!

See you

[boris]

Hello again... The toll will cost you around 30 euros, one way. You may want to have a few dinars more in the pocket, for just in case.

There should be an exchange right at the border and I think there would be one at every larger petrol station - meaning on most along the highway. Also, I think just about any station along the way will take master/maestro and visa, probably diners, as well. I'll take a look in the coming few days and post info about the cards.

Having one would obviously reduce the need for the local curency beyond what you have to pay for the toll - that's cash only. Ah, and so you avoid confusion - You pick up a ticket from the machine and you pay at the next booth.

And again (my obsession, getting away with it, please forgive), the police will not bother with you if you're driving around 10-15 above the speed limit.

If you want to stop and eat anywhere along the way, many people have recommended the motel/restaurants Predejane and Dzep. Both are just off the road, after you get off of the highway (well after the Leskovac crossing). There's a bunch of signs in the Grdelica gorge announcing them.

I however never stopped there and can't say, but I can say that I'm not aware of what I'd call good food on the highway, in Serbia or anywhere else.

Cheers, 19 days to go!

Boris

[Steffi]

Thanks again Boris!

Its very good to hear that everything is save and we'll have a good journey through Serbia and Macedonia.

See you

Steffi